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Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Nimrod’s Secret Society, Abraham, and Derinkuyu, Mohenjo-Daro


Derinkuyu is another of those mysteries in which what we’ve been told has been inaccurate.  Found in Turkey, Derinkuyu is just one of many underground cities, dating back to 1900 to 800 BC.  I have a slight contention with that date as somehow people of that time period (or slightly prior) used pails and shovels to dig 18 stories downward, into the rock, to construct an engineering marvel of an underground city.  Impossible.  But again, if the “remodeling” or “decorating” took place at 800 BC, that does not mean it was actually constructed at that time.  As you read and study Derinkuyu one question comes up, how was this underground city built? No one knows.  Why was it built? Could they have been fleeing invading armies? Probably not as these underground cities didn’t happen to be successful when the Hittites were wiped out.  Historians attribute Derinkuyu to being constructed by the Hittites but they did not have the technology to construct this underground city.  They may have utilized it but they could not have constructed it.  Over the years many people groups used these underground cities.  The temperature was controlled and the air ventilation was also used as communication.  Obviously no one could have used these cities at the time of Noah’s flood because they would have filled up with water, but there is a previous time period that may point to the necessity of underground cities. 

As we previously saw, the Indian culture and Chinese cultures speak of Vimanas, aircraft that had weapons of mass destruction.  Just for perspective, during a war, where do people go to escape bombings? Underground.  Remember the 50’s craze of building your own bomb shelter?   How about under a mountain?  It is reported recently a Vimana has been found in Afghanistan, I can’t tell you that it is true, but it wouldn’t surprise me.  Our history has been erased, and a new history, the one we think is true, has been fed to us by groups of people with lots of money.  (Keep the masses dumb and happy) Previously I pointed out how the first thing the Americans did when invading Iraq was to take all their ancient artifacts, that seems strange doesn’t it? That was a wide spread news story for about one week, then it was buried. The area of the Indus Valley shows very high levels of radiation, equal to Hiroshima, but dates back about 12,000 to 8,000 years ago, as well as radioactive evidence at about 4,000 years ago.  Something odd happened there.  Is that why the British invaded the area and tried to oppress the people, but eventually split the area into two countries, today, Pakistan and India?  Derinkuyu seems to be a place of hiding from aerial attack, not ground forces, and the evidence of some type of advanced weaponry in Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa tells us that at or about 12,000 years ago a civilization could have used a place like Derinkuyu to preserve life.  While it would not have helped in a direct hit, Derinkuyu would have been a good shelter from radioactive clouds and wind from a nearby explosion. 

By now you may have had a chance to look at the book link I posted last week called None Dare Call It Conspiracy.  From our look backwards, we see that there were many secret societies that changed and morphed over time.  Every government on earth has had a group of ruling people that control the people, the economy, and the future.  It is not unusual or new.  It is also not something to be feared.  Jesus knew all about secret societies, and he did not tell us to fight them, nor did he tell us to fear them. Again we have to gain perspective with a wide angle view of the world.  I once read a book by someone and I did not think it was spectacular, so when this individual came out with a second book I thought I’d shortcut the reading by watching some lectures this person did regarding his new book.  I wasn’t impressed at all. The individual wants to motivate people by fear into buying his book, and then at the end of the lecture the individual tells his audience that he sells survival packets and you can buy them so that you can be spared the future hardships of coming natural disasters and secret societies.  Is that what Jesus said to do? Hide out on a farm in the middle of nowhere eating freeze dried food?   Wouldn’t it be better to do the opposite and, in the time of crisis, get out and pray for people, utilizing the power of the Holy Spirit? If Moses got water from a rock would God not do the same for His people today, in time of need? Or is God going to forsake His people? I don’t see that happening.  So you have to ask yourself, how much fear do you really have?  Let’s not fear secret societies because God is bigger.  There used to be an old saying in Christian circles – But God. God is always the exception to every scheme and plan of the enemy. Nimrod had a secret society of rulers, wise men, and conjurers. These individuals were to oppress the people, give instruction to Nimrod on how to rule, and use sorcery, and reading of the stars to tell him about upcoming events.  They were Nimrods eyes and ears in the kingdom.  Let’s look at Jubilees first. 

The History of the Patriarchs from Reu to Abraham (cf. Gen. xi, 20-30); the Corruption of the Human Race (xi. 1-15).
XI. And in the thirty-fifth jubilee, in the third week, in the first year thereof, Reu took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Ôrâ, the daughter of ’Ûr, the son of Kêsêd, and she bare him a son, and he called his name Sêrôḫ, 1 in the seventh year of this week in this jubilee. 2. 2 And the sons of Noah began to war on each other, to take captive and to slay each other, and to shed the blood of men on the earth, and to eat blood, and to build strong cities, and walls, and towers, and individuals (began) to exalt themselves above the nation, 3 and to found the beginnings of kingdoms, and to go to war people against people, and nation against nation, and city against city, and all (began) to do evil, and to acquire arms, and to teach their sons war, and they began to capture cities, and to sell male and female slaves. 3. And ’Ûr, the son of Kêsêd, 4 built the city of ’Arâ 5 of the Chaldees, and called its name after his own name and the name of his father. 4. And they made for themselves molten images, and they worshipped each the idol, the molten image which they had made for themselves, and they began to make graven images and unclean simulacra, and malignant spirits assisted and seduced (them) into committing transgression and uncleanness.

Remember Mastema is satan, he shows up here to try and make the people sin against God.

5. And the prince Mastêmâ exerted himself to do all this, and he sent forth other spirits, those which were put under his hand, to do all manner of wrong and sin, and all manner of transgression, to corrupt and destroy, and to shed blood upon the earth. 6. For this reason he called the name of Sêrôḫ, Serug, for every one turned to do all manner of sin and transgression. 7. And he grew up, and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, near to the father of his wife's mother, and he worshipped idols, and he took to himself a wife in the thirty-sixth jubilee, in the fifth week, in the first year thereof, and her name was Mêlkâ,  the daughter of Kâbêr, the daughter of his father's brother. 8. And she bare him Nahor, in the first year of this week, and he grew and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, and his father taught him the researches of the Chaldees to divine and augur, according to the signs of heaven. 9. And in the thirty-seventh jubilee, in the sixth week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Îjâskâ,  the daughter of Nêstâg of the Chaldees. 10. And she bare him Terah  in the seventh year of this week. 11. And the prince Mastêmâ sent ravens and birds to devour the seed which was sown in the land, in order to destroy the land, and rob the children of men of their labours. Before they could plough in the seed, the ravens picked (it) from the surface of the ground. 12. And for this reason he called his name Terah, because the ravens and the birds reduced them to destitution and devoured their seed.  13. And the years began to be barren, owing to the birds, and they devoured all the fruit of the trees from the trees: it was only with great effort that they could save a little of all the fruit of the earth in their days. 14. And in this thirty-ninth jubilee, in the second week in the first year, Terah took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Êdnâ,  the daughter of ’Abrâm  the daughter of his father's  sister. 15. And in the seventh year of this week she bare him a son, and he called his name Abram, by the name of the father of his mother; for he had died before his daughter had conceived a son. 

Nimrod is attributed in Jasher to being the one to lead the people astray, although Jubilees puts the blame on the people themselves. Looking backwards we could see both perspectives. In our day what will be written of us?  Will everything be the fault of the “Leaders and Rulers” or will we be responsible for doing what is wrong even if the leaders encourage it. Jasher goes on to tell us more about the time period. 

Jasher 7:46 And all the earth was of one tongue and words of union, but Nimrod did not go in the ways of the Lord, and he was more wicked than all the men that were before him, from the days of the flood until those days. 47 And he made gods of wood and stone, and he bowed down to them, and he rebelled against the Lord, and taught all his subjects and the people of the earth his wicked ways; and Mardon his son was more wicked than his father. 48 And every one that heard of the acts of Mardon the son of Nimrod would say, concerning him, From the wicked goeth forth wickedness; therefore it became a proverb in the whole earth, saying, From the wicked goeth forth wickedness, and it was current in the words of men from that time to this. 49 And Terah the son of Nahor, prince of Nimrod's host, was in those days very great in the sight of the king and his subjects, and the king and princes loved him, and they elevated him very high. 50 And Terah took a wife and her name was Amthelo the daughter of Cornebo; and the wife of Terah conceived and bare him a son in those days.51 Terah was seventy years old when he begat him, and Terah called the name of his son that was born to him Abram, because the king had raised him in those days, and dignified him above all his princes that were with him.

Jasher 8:1-36 And it was in the night that Abram was born, that all the servants of Terah, and all the wise men of Nimrod, and his conjurors came and ate and drank in the house of Terah, and they rejoiced with him on that night. 2 And when all the wise men and conjurors went out from the house of Terah, they lifted up their eyes toward heaven that night to look at the stars, and they saw, and behold one very large star came from the east and ran in the heavens, and he swallowed up the four stars from the four sides of the heavens. 3 And all the wise men of the king and his conjurors were astonished at the sight, and the sages understood this matter, and they knew its import. 4 And they said to each other, This only betokens the child that has been born to Terah this night, who will grow up and be fruitful, and multiply, and possess all the earth, he and his children for ever, and he and his seed will slay great kings, and inherit their lands. 5 And the wise men and conjurors went home that night, and in the morning all these wise men and conjurors rose up early, and assembled in an appointed house. 6 And they spoke and said to each other, Behold the sight that we saw last night is hidden from the king, it has not been made known to him. 7 And should this thing get known to the king in the latter days, he will say to us, Why have you concealed this matter from me, and then we shall all suffer death; therefore, now let us go and tell the king the sight which we saw, and the interpretation thereof, and we shall then remain clear.

We see that even in the inner circles of Nimrod’s society, people are fearful of the truth.  Games are always played in light of arriving at the best outcome for those concerned.  Never mind if someone, like baby Abraham has to die, as long as the group will be alright.  Sounds like the way it goes today, as long as the rich inner circles are alright, it truly doesn’t matter if the commoners die. 

8 And they did so, and they all went to the king and bowed down to him to the ground, and they said, May the king live, may the king live. 9 We heard that a son was born to Terah the son of Nahor, the prince of thy host, and we yesternight came to his house, and we ate and drank and rejoiced with him that night. 10 And when thy servants went out from the house of Terah, to go to our respective homes to abide there for the night, we lifted up our eyes to heaven, and we saw a great star coming from the east, and the same star ran with great speed, and swallowed up four great stars, from the four sides of the heavens. 11And thy servants were astonished at the sight which we saw, and were greatly terrified, and we made our judgment upon the sight, and knew by our wisdom the proper interpretation thereof, that this thing applies to the child that is born to Terah, who will grow up and multiply greatly, and become powerful, and kill all the kings of the earth, and inherit all their lands, he and his seed forever. 12 And now our lord and king, behold we have truly acquainted thee with what we have seen concerning this child. 13 If it seemeth good to the king to give his father value for this child, we will slay him before he shall grow up and increase in the land, and his evil increase against us, that we and our children perish through his evil. 14And the king heard their words and they seemed good in his sight, and he sent and called for Terah, and Terah came before the king.

There are always secret meetings, and decisions being made that do not involve the common people.  What if Nimrod’s wise men and conjurers told all the people what they saw and put it to a vote?  Some clearly would say not to kill the child as he was anointed of the Lord.  If the voices in opposition got louder, people might do the right thing and not kill the child, fearing God’s retribution. 

15And the king said to Terah, I have been told that a son was yesternight born to thee, and after this manner was observed in the heavens at his birth.16And now therefore give me the child, that we may slay him before his evil springs up against us, and I will give thee for his value, thy house full of silver and gold.17 And Terah answered the king and said to him: My Lord and king, I have heard thy words, and thy servant shall do all that his king desireth. 18 But my lord and king, I will tell thee what happened to me yesternight, that I may see what advice the king will give his servant, and then I will answer the king upon what he has just spoken; and the king said, Speak.19 And Terah said to the king, Ayon, son of Mored, came to me yesternight, saying, 20 Give unto me the great and beautiful horse that the king gave thee, and I will give thee silver and gold, and straw and provender for its value; and I said to him, Wait till I see the king concerning thy words, and behold whatever the king saith, that will I do. 21 And now my lord and king, behold I have made this thing known to thee, and the advice which my king will give unto his servant, that will I follow. 22 And the king heard the words of Terah, and his anger was kindled and he considered him in the light of a fool. 23 And the king answered Terah, and he said to him, Art thou so silly, ignorant, or deficient in understanding, to do this thing, to give thy beautiful horse for silver and gold or even for straw and provender?24 Art thou so short of silver and gold, that thou shouldst do this thing, because thou canst not obtain straw and provender to feed thy horse? and what is silver and gold to thee, or straw and provender, that thou shouldst give away that fine horse which I gave thee, like which there is none to be had on the whole earth? 25 And the king left off speaking, and Terah answered the king, saying, Like unto this has the king spoken to his servant; 26 I beseech thee, my lord and king, what is this which thou didst say unto me, saying, Give thy son that we may slay him, and I will give thee silver and gold for his value; what shall I do with silver and gold after the death of my son? who shall inherit me? surely then at my death, the silver and gold will return to my king who gave it.27 And when the king heard the words of Terah, and the parable which he brought concerning the king, it grieved him greatly and he was vexed at this thing, and his anger burned within him.

So similar to Nathan and David, Nimrod hears a parable concerning himself and doesn’t recognize it. Even though it upset Nimrod, his power and the potential of losing power to another was still the most important to insure his future as King. 

28 And Terah saw that the anger of the king was kindled against him, and he answered the king, saying, All that I have is in the king's power; whatever the king desireth to do to his servant, that let him do, yea, even my son, he is in the king's power, without value in exchange, he and his two brothers that are older than he.29 And the king said to Terah, No, but I will purchase thy younger son for a price. 30 And Terah answered the king, saying, I beseech thee my lord and king to let thy servant speak a word before thee, and let the king hear the word of his servant, and Terah said, Let my king give me three days' time till I consider this matter within myself, and consult with my family concerning the words of my king; and he pressed the king greatly to agree to this. 31 And the king hearkened to Terah, and he did so and he gave him three days' time, and Terah went out from the king's presence, and he came home to his family and spoke to them all the words of the king; and the people were greatly afraid. 32 And it was in the third day that the king sent to Terah, saying, Send me thy son for a price as I spoke to thee; and shouldst thou not do this, I will send and slay all thou hast in thy house, so that thou shalt not even have a dog remaining.

Again to ensure Nimrod’s future as King, he decided to kill a baby.  The fear of losing his kingdom to this baby must have been so great as he threatened to kill everyone, even Terah’s dogs. 

33 And Terah hastened, (as the thing was urgent from the king), and he took a child from one of his servants, which his handmaid had born to him that day, and Terah brought the child to the king and received value for him. 34 And the Lord was with Terah in this matter, that Nimrod might not cause Abram's death, and the king took the child from Terah and with all his might dashed his head to the ground, for he thought it had been Abram; and this was concealed from him from that day, and it was forgotten by the king, as it was the will of Providence not to suffer Abram's death. 35 And Terah took Abram his son secretly, together with his mother and nurse, and he concealed them in a cave, and he brought them their provisions monthly. 36 And the Lord was with Abram in the cave and he grew up, and Abram was in the cave ten years, and the king and his princes, soothsayers and sages, thought that the king had killed Abram.

Interesting that the princes, soothsayers, and sages all thought baby Abraham was dead.  Did the stars not tell them he was still alive? Was the plan of Abraham becoming a great leader of many people erased from the heavens?  I’m not sure, but I think that if they saw the plan in the stars, the plan wasn’t going to change, so they should have been smart enough to know that once God writes his plan in the stars, no one, not even satan, can change it.  This is why the “But God” in every detail of secret societies.  We cannot change what is written in the heavens, no matter who we kill.

Next we look at Abraham’s informative years, how he learned of God and his passion for God. 

End Notes:
Derinkuyu

Mohenjo-Daro, Harappa,Indus Valley