The Elohim is not created in our image. We are created in the Elohim’s image. We cannot say that this is true for any other son of the Elohim. We simply do not have any information as to whether angels, cherubim, seraphim, or ophanim, etc., were created in the image and likeness of the Elohim. What we do know is that there are some misunderstandings we have regarding the sons of God, and what and who they are. We are called “manfaced” which sets us apart from all other sons of God. Other beings may have arms and legs and torsos, but we have a face like a man. The Elohim Father does not look like a wise old man, dressed in long robes, seated on a throne with a staff in hand while wearing a long beard and long smooth white hair. He is perceived as an incorporeal. No man has seen the Father at any time, John 1:18, John 6:46, 1 John 4:12, meaning “looked on him”. John saw the Father. John looked on Him. After Jesus left earth John saw the Father in heaven on his throne. He is not the only one. Stephen did as well. Daniel saw the Son. Then Daniel saw the Son turn everything over to the Father in a dream. Who did Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah, see in person? Yahweh Jesus Messiah. It is important to differentiate between the Father and the Son because it clears up the confusion we have had regarding ourselves and the other sons of God.
Once we enter the kingdom of heaven, Jesus told us that we will be like the angels, but what exactly does that entail? Jesus said that in his Father’s house there are many dwellings, and he was going to prepare a location or place for us. Does anyone else have a spot or place in the kingdom of heaven? Notice that I did not write “mansion”. To our great disappointment that is an intentional error that we will explore.
For reference, in 2018 I wrote about the sons of God and listed as many as I could find. It may not be exhaustive but it gives us a good start.
https://musingsofawinsomeheart.blogspot.com/2018/12/angels-archangels-sons-of-god-phoenixes.html
We have a glimpse of the kingdom of heaven in Revelation 4. We see a throne and someone sitting on it that looks like jasper and sardius.
Revelation 4:2 G2532 And G2112 immediately G1096 I existed G1722 in G4151 spirit. G2532 And G2400 behold, G2362 a throne G2749 was situated G1722 in G3588 the G3772 heaven, G2532 and G1909 upon G3588 the G2362 throne G2521 one sitting,
3 G3664 likened G3706 in sight G3037 [2stone G2393 1to a jasper], G2532 and G4556 sardius;…
The gem jasper can be purple, blue, green, or even brass colored, but the most common color is red. Jasper is a type of quartz mixed with other mineral impurities making up the variety in colors. Red and yellow Jasper are typically found in Israel and the Sinai Peninsula. The gem Sardis or carnelian is an orange red to a brown red. This is what the Father looks like on his throne. He’s colorful with a predominance of red. But there is more.
3...G2532 and G2463 a rainbow G2943 was round about G3588 the G2362 throne, G3664 likened G3706 to the sight G4664 of emerald.
The word translated rainbow here is the word iris, pronounced ee’-ris, which is a halo not a multicolored refraction of light. This word is only used twice in Revelation, here and 10:1. The second usage puts the article in front of it as an angel wears the halo upon his head. This halo was a circle around the throne and resembled emerald colors. Iris is also an allusion to a female messenger of the gods, as well as a flower. What did John see? Probably a green colored halo around the throne. Our Christmas traditions of red and green express the Father on his throne.
This is our best description of the Father Elohim. We see in Revelation 6 that when the angels and people of earth see the Father and the Lamb of God, they have a fearful response. The angels shake too.
Revelation 6:12 G2532 And G1492 I saw. G2532 And G3753 when G455 he opened G3588 the G4973 [2seal G3588 G1622 1sixth], G2532 even G4578 [2earthquake G3173 1a great] G1096 took place, G2532 and G3588 the G2246 sun G3189 [2black G1096 1became] G5613 as G4526 a sackcloth G5155 made of hair, G2532 and G3588 the G4582 moon G1096 became G5613 as G129 blood;
13 G2532 and G3588 the G792 stars G3588 of the G3772 heaven G4098 fell G1519 unto G3588 the G1093 earth, G5613 as G4808 a fig-tree G906 casts G3588 G3653 its immature figs G1473 G5259 [2by G3173 3a great G417 4wind G4579 1being shaken].
“and the stars the heaven fall prostrate/collapse/alight into the earth so that fig tree throw the winter fig/unripe fig its from under mega wind shake/agitate.
Stars are made from 74% hydrogen and 24% helium. Stars cannot fall. What we call “shooting stars” are actually meteors. Hydrogen is the lightest gas and helium the second lightest gas. If a literal star was to extinguish it would swallow up any planets near it or it would go supernova, exploding brightly, or else it would become a black hole. Literal stars do not fall. These stars fall prostrate, collapse, or alight, take off running. If a star dies it could swallow up the earth but would not fall prostrate into the earth.
We have another clue to this understanding which is the fig tree. It is not dropping ripe figs in the great wind, it is dropping winter figs, or unripe figs. The figs were not meant for eating because they are not ripe. Sometimes the autumn is warm, encouraging figs to start to grow again. These are the un-matured figs falling. Angels are referred to as “stars”. Angels prostrate into the earth, these are the angels that are not mature. This is also why they are not seen in the kingdom of heaven but in the kingdom of God. When they see the Father on the throne, in the kingdom of heaven, as the sky rolls back, they shake and prostrate.
https://musingsofawinsomeheart.blogspot.com/2018/03/sixth-seal-angels-alight-wrath-of-lamb.html
When we make the distinction between the “kingdom of God” and the “kingdom of heaven” then we can make sense of the reason that there are angels outside the kingdom of heaven who are shaken by the sight of the Father and the Son. Enoch gave us the revelation of the ten levels of heaven. It would be foolish for us to assume that all angels have been obedient servants of the Elohim. Just as humans have free will, angels have free will too. Some rebelled and created the altered genes, the hybrids, which we still have on the earth today. Enoch explained these various levels and the punishments for the fallen angels. While the fallen angels are reserved for punishment, there are other angels who manage the cosmos. These angels are in the kingdom of God but not inside the kingdom of heaven. As with humans, the mature believers are in the kingdom of heaven, which is inside the kingdom of God. When the heavens roll back, the beings within the kingdom of God prostrate.
The first century believers and prior generations understood the book of Enoch well. After the first century, people hid the information that Enoch gave us in order to lord over us. Enoch is a very condensed version of what we see in the Bible which was written by many different prophets. To read Enoch all at once seems overwhelmingly fantastical, but to compare Enoch to the Bible explains and corroborates what is written in the Bible. In other words, people hide the truth because it gives them power over the unclean masses. We barely know what is written in the Bible as it is and some overlords want us to be even less informed. This is why the masoretic alterations are so evil. We want to know all of the truth, not only what others decide we are allowed know.
Revelation 6:14 G2532 And G3588 the G3772 heaven G673 had been separated G5613 as G975 a scroll G1507 being rolled, G2532 and G3956 every G3735 mountain G2532 and G3520 island G1537 from out of G3588 G5117 their places G1473 G2795 were shaken.
When the heavens are separated like a scroll there will be a great earthquake that sends smoke and ash into the atmosphere, there will also be many smaller earthquakes. Earthquakes do not affect the distant heavens. No one on the space station is concerned about an earthquake. But the earthquake coincides with the heavens parting open and that makes the beings in the cosmos become afraid. The angels in the cosmos will prostrate because they know what they are seeing. The kings and great men will fear the sight of the Father and Jesus because they are just learning what they are seeing. This will be their point of context for joining the beast to make war against the Lamb later on.
Revelation 6:15 G2532 And G3588 the G935 kings G3588 of the G1093 earth, G2532 and G3588 the G3175 great men, G2532 and G3588 the G5506 commanders of thousands, G2532 and G3588 the G4145 rich, G2532 and G3588 the G2478 mighty ones, G2532 and G3956 every G1401 bondman, G2532 and G3956 every G1658 free man, G2928 hid G1438 themselves G1519 in G3588 the G4693 caves, G2532 and G1519 in G3588 the G4073 rocks G3588 of the G3735 mountains.
16 G2532 And G3004 they say G3588 to the G3735 mountains G2532 and G3588 to the G4073 rocks, G4098 Fall G1909 upon G1473 us, G2532 and G2928 hide G1473 us G575 from G4383 the face G3588 of the one G2521 sitting G1909 upon G3588 the G2362 throne, G2532 and G575 from G3588 the G3709 anger G3588 of the G721 lamb!
17 G3754 For G2064 is come G3588 the G2250 [2day G3588 G3173 1great] G3588 G3709 of his anger; G1473 G2532 and G5100 who G1410 is able G2476 to stand?
This is a reality check for the immature angels and the people of earth. At this point they only know what they have been told, that aliens took all the disobedient ones for reprogramming. This is the first time people will see the truth which they will greatly fear.
Jesus transformed into light in front of Peter, James, and John. What this shows us is that when Paul tells us we will be changed, we will change our form to the form of the Father and the Son. But we will retain the shape of our man-face.
Matthew 17:2 G2532 And G3339 he transformed G1715 in front of G1473 them, G2532 and G2989 [2radiated G3588 G4383 1his face] G1473 G5613 as G3588 the G2246 sun. G3588 And the G1161 G2440 garments G1473 of his G1096 became G3022 white G5613 as G3588 the G5457 light.
3 G2532 And G2400 behold, G3708 there appeared G1473 to them G* Moses G2532 and G* Elijah G3326 with G1473 him, G4814 conversing together.
4 G611 And responding G1161 G3588 G* Peter G2036 said G3588 to G* Jesus, G2962 O Lord, G2570 it is good G1510.2.3 G1473 for us G5602 to be here; G1510.1 G1487 if G2309 you want, G4160 we shall make G5602 here G5140 three G4633 tents; G1473 to you G1520 one, G2532 and G* to Moses G1520 one, G2532 and G1520 one G* to Elijah.
5 G2089 Yet G1473 of his G2980 speaking, G2400 behold, G3507 a cloud G5460 giving light G1982 overshadowed G1473 them, G2532 and G2400 behold, G5456 there was a voice G1537 from out of G3588 the G3507 cloud G3004 saying, G3778 This G1510.2.3 is G3588 G5207 my son G1473 G3588 the G27 beloved, G1722 in G3739 whom G2106 I take pleasure in; G1473 hearken to him! G191
Jesus transformed and his face radiated lampō, as the sun hēlios. His garments became white, leukos, light phōs. Then there was a cloud of lustrous light casting shade upon them. Most clouds block the light but this cloud was light. This is not like any other earthly cloud, it was a cloud emanating light. John saw it.
John 1:12 G3745 But as many as G1161 G2983 received G1473 him, G1325 he gave G1473 to them G1849 authority G5043 [2children G2316 3of God G1096 1to become], G3588 to the ones G4100 believing G1519 in G3588 G3686 his name; G1473
13 G3739 the ones who G3756 not G1537 from G129 blood, G3761 nor G1537 from G2307 will G4561 of flesh, G3761 nor G1537 from G2307 will G435 of man, G235 but G1537 from G2316 God G1080 were born.
14 G2532 And G3588 the G3056 word G4561 [2flesh G1096 1became], G2532 and G4637 tented G1722 among G1473 us, G2532 and G2300 we saw G3588 G1391 his glory, G1473 G1391 glory G5613 as G3439 an only child G3844 of G3962 the father, G4134 full G5484 of favor G2532 and G225 truth.
The logos became flesh. He wasn’t flesh but he came into being flesh. He was birthed as an only son of the Father. He became like us, but if we believe on Him we will become like Him, as he is now. John saw Jesus’ glory, the glory on the mountain top, as Peter and James did. We are being changed from glory to glory, 2 Corinthians 3:18. That speaks of our growth in Him. From faith to faith, or credence to fidelity, Romans 1:17.
Jesus told the religious leaders who he was but they did not believe Jesus was Yahweh.
John 8:56 G* Abraham, G3588 G3962 your father G1473 G21 exulted G2443 that G1492 he should behold G3588 G2250 [2day G3588 G1699 1my], G2532 and G1492 he saw G2532 and G5463 rejoiced.
57 G2036 Then said G3767 G3588 the G* Jews G4314 to G1473 him, G4004 [3fifty G2094 4years G3768 2not yet G2192 1You have], G2532 and G* [2Abraham G3708 1you have seen]?
58 G2036 [2said G1473 3to them G3588 G* 1Jesus], G281 Amen, G281 amen, G3004 I say G1473 to you, G4250 Before G* Abraham G1096 existed G1473 I G1510.2.1 am.
59 G142 Then they lifted G3767 G3037 stones G2443 that G906 they should throw G1909 at G1473 him; G* but Jesus G1161 G2928 was hidden, G2532 and G1831 he went forth G1537 from out of G3588 the G2413 temple, G1330 going G1223 through G3319 the midst G1473 of them, G2532 and G3855 passed by G3779 thus.
Abraham saw Yahweh Jesus Messiah, he walked and talked with him as a friend. Jesus then gives them the news, before Abraham existed I Exist, or I AM. Then Jesus disappeared, he became concealed, cloaked, kruptō. That should have given the religious leaders a clue. Jesus just announced he was the I AM, the one Moses spoke to. He also announced that Abraham knew him. Then poof!, he’s gone.
After Jesus’ crucifixion Jesus said people would see him at the right hand of the power.
Matthew 26:64 G3004 [2says G1473 3to him G3588 G* 1Jesus], G1473 You G2036 said it . G4133 Furthermore G3004 I say G1473 to you, G575 From G737 now G3708 you shall see G3588 the G5207 son G3588 G444 of man G2521 sitting down G1537 at G1188 the right hand G3588 of the G1411 power, G2532 and G2064 coming G1909 upon G3588 the G3507 clouds G3588 of the G3772 heaven.
Stephen saw Jesus Messiah standing, ready to receive him. Stephen does not describe the Father, he simply mentions him as the Elohim, Acts 7.
Isaiah tells us who he saw, Yahweh.
Isaiah 6:1 G2532 And G1096 it came to pass G3588 the G1763 year G3739 of which G599 [3died G3588 G935 1king G* 2Uzziah], G1492 I beheld G3588 the G2962 lord G2521 sitting G1909 upon G2362 [2throne G5308 1a high], G2532 and G1869 being lifted up; G2532 and G4134 [3 was full G3588 1the G3624 2house] G3588 G1391 of his glory.
2 G2532 And G4587.1 seraphim G2476 stood G2945 round about G1473 him; G1803 six G4420 wings G3588 to the G1520 one, G2532 and G1803 six G4420 wings G3588 to the G1520 other one. G2532 And G3588 with the G3303 first G1417 two G2619 they covered up G3588 the G4383 front; G3588 and with the second G1161 G1417 two G2619 they covered up G3588 the G4228 feet; G2532 and G3588 with the third G1417 two G4072 they flew.
3 G2532 And G2896 they cried out G2087 another G4314 to G3588 G2087 another, G2532 and G3004 said, G39 Holy, G39 holy, G39 holy G2962 is the lord G4519 of Hosts; G4134 [4 is full G3956 1all G3588 2the G1093 3earth] G3588 G1391 of his glory. G1473
4 G2532 And G1869 [3lifted up G3588 1the G5244.1 2lintel] G575 from G3588 the G5456 sound G3739 of which G2896 they cried out, G2532 and G3588 the G3624 house G1705 was filled up G2586 of smoke.
5 G2532 And G2036 I said, G5599 O, G5007.1 I am miserable, G1473 G3754 for G2660 I am vexed, G3754 for G444 [2a man G1510.6 1being] G2532 and G169 [2unclean G5491 3lips G2192 1having] G1722 in G3319 the midst G2992 of a people G169 [2unclean G5491 3lips G2192 1having] G1473 I G3611 live in. G2532 And G3588 the G935 king, G2962 the lord G4519 of Hosts, G1492 I beheld G3588 with G3788 my eyes. G1473
Yahweh Jesus Messiah is the Lord of Hosts. The phrase “Lord of Hosts” is Yahweh Sabaōth, a title, “Lord of the Armies”. Is Yahweh the Lord of the earthly armies? No. He is Lord of the heavenly armies. That tells us that there must be beings in the heavenly armies, and wars to be fought. What kind of beings are they? Who are they? Are they angels or are they cherubim, seraphim, ophanim, chalkydri, or phoenixes? Are they winged women, or seven thunders, or the seven spirits? We do not know. We also do not have a description of Yahweh Sabaōth’s face, just a description of his glory.
Daniel, at first glance, causes us a bit of confusion because he calls Jesus Messiah the “Ancient of Days”. He is. Jesus was in the beginning. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all Elohim, and all are the Ancient of Days. To understand it better we have to read the context. The description of the one whose garment is snow white and whose hair is pure wool is not the Father, as the rest of the context explains. We also see Yahweh Jesus Messiah called the “Son of Manfaced”, and the declaration that he is the I AM.
Daniel 7:9 G2334 I viewed G2193 until G3748 when G2362 thrones G5087 were set, G2532 and G3820 the old one G2250 of days G2521 sat down. G2532 And G3588 G1742 his garment G1473 G5616 was as G5510 snow -- G3022 white. G2532 And G3588 the G2359 hair G3588 G2776 of his head G1473 G5616 was as G2053 [2wool G2513 1pure]. G3588 G2362 His throne G1473 G5395 a flame G4442 of fire, G3588 G5164 its wheels G1473 G4442 as fire G5392.2 blazing.
Daniel 7:9 G2334 V-IAI-1S εθεωρουν G2193 PREP εως G3748 RI-GSM οτου G2362 N-NPM θρονοι G5087 V-API-3P ετεθησαν G2532 CONJ και G3820 A-NSM παλαιος G2250 N-GPF ημερων G2521 V-IMI-3S εκαθητο G2532 CONJ και G3588 T-NSN το G1742 N-NSN ενδυμα G846 D-GSM αυτου G5616 ADV ωσει G5510 N-NSF χιων G3022 A-NSN λευκον G2532 CONJ και G3588 T-NSF η G2359 N-NSF θριξ G3588 T-GSF της G2776 N-GSF κεφαλης G846 D-GSM αυτου G5616 ADV ωσει G2053 N-NSN εριον G2513 A-NSN καθαρον G3588 T-NSM ο G2362 N-NSM θρονος G846 D-GSM αυτου G5395 N-NSF φλοξ G4442 N-GSN πυρος G3588 T-NPM οι G5164 N-NPM τροχοι G846 D-GSM αυτου G4442 N-NSN πυρ V-PAPNS φλεγον
“look until which throne placed and Ancient Day seated and the garment his as if snow light/leukos and the hair the head his just as if wool clean the throne his flame fire the ophan his fire burning”
The throne is a flaming fire and the Ophan is his fire. The Ophan are what Ezekiel describes to us as wheels with many eyes, that have backs and eyebrows. Solomon depicted them in the temple. Fires can create a fire tornado if they are hot enough. The Ophan rotate or spin. This is spinning fire, burning. What do we see regarding the Ancient of Days? He is described similar to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.
Daniel 7:10 G4215 A river G4442 of fire G1670 drew G1607 exiting G1715 before G1473 him; G5507 a thousand G5505 thousands G3008 ministering G1473 to him; G2532 and G3463 ten thousand G3461 ten thousands G3936 were present G1715 before G1473 him. G2922 A judgment seat G2523 was set, G2532 and G976 books G455 were opened.
11 G2334 I viewed G5119 then G575 because of G5456 a voice G1473 of the G3056 [2words G1473 G3173 1great] G3739 which G3588 G2768 that horn G1565 G2980 spoke, G2193 until G337 [3was done away with G3588 1the G2342 2wild beast], G2532 and G622 destroyed, G2532 and G3588 G4983 its body G1473 G1325 was given G1519 unto G2740 burning G4442 fire.
Who is going to judge the beast on the Day of the Lord? It is Yahweh Jesus Messiah, Revelation 19:20. There will be another judgment, the white throne judgment after the millennial reign where Jesus will judge again. Jesus told us this:
John 5:22 G3761 For neither G1063 G3588 the G3962 father G2919 judges G3762 any one, G235 but G3588 G2920 all judgment G3956 G1325 he has given G3588 to the G5207 son;
23 G2443 that G3956 all G5091 should esteem G3588 the G5207 son, G2531 as G5091 they esteem G3588 the G3962 father. G3588 The one G3361 not G5091 esteeming G3588 the G5207 son, G3756 esteems not G5091 G3588 the G3962 father G3588 G3992 sending G1473 him.
The Father doesn’t judge anyone, but the Son does. As Daniel goes on he speaks about another vision, a night vision where he sees the Son of Man coming.
Daniel 7:13 G2334 I viewed G1722 in G3705 a vision G3588 of the G3571 night, G2532 and G2400 behold, G3326 with G3588 the G3507 clouds G3588 of the G3772 heaven, G2532 and G5613 one as G5207 son G444 of man G2064 was coming. G1510.7.3 G2532 And G2193 [2unto G3588 3the G3820 4old one G3588 G2250 5of days G5348 1he came], G2532 and G1799 [2before G1473 3him G4374 1he was brought].
Daniel 7:13 G2334 V-IAI-1S εθεωρουν G1722 PREP εν G3705 N-DSN οραματι G3588 T-GSF της G3571 N-GSF νυκτος G2532 CONJ και G2400 INJ ιδου G3326 PREP μετα G3588 T-GPF των G3507 N-GPF νεφελων G3588 T-GSM του G3772 N-GSM ουρανου G3739 CONJ ως G5207 N-NSM υιος G444 N-GSM ανθρωπου G2064 V-PMPNS ερχομενος G1510 V-IAI-3S ην G2532 CONJ και G2193 PREP εως G3588 T-GSM του G3820 A-GSM παλαιου G3588 T-GPF των G2250 N-GPF ημερων G5348 V-AAI-3S εφθασεν G2532 CONJ και G1799 PREP ενωπιον G846 D-GSM αυτου G4374 V-API-3S προσηνεχθη
“looked at in vision the night time and behold! in the midst of the cloud the heaven this Son Manfaced coming, I Am. And coming until the Ancient the Day and offer before the face of him.”
The Son of Man is the I AM, the same one that Moses spoke to and Jesus attested to in John 8. Daniel doesn’t describe the Father, but he tells us what the Son of Man is doing in his dream.
Daniel 7:14 G2532 And G1473 to him G1325 was given G3588 the G746 rule, G2532 and G3588 the G5092 honor, G2532 and G3588 the G932 kingdom; G2532 and G3956 all G3588 the G2992 peoples, G5443 tribes, G2532 and G1100 languages G1473 shall serve to him. G1398 G3588 G1849 His authority G1473 G1849 [2authority G166 1 is an eternal] G3748 which G3756 shall not G3928 pass away, G2532 and G3588 G932 his kingdom G1473 G3756 shall not G1311 be destroyed.
“and he give the rule and the honor and the kingdom and all the people race tongue him obey the authority his authority eternal whichsoever no not pass by and the kingdom he no not destroy utterly.”
We assume that the Ancient of Days must be the Father but in verses 9-11 we clearly see that the Son, Yahweh Jesus Messiah, is the one who does the judging on the Day of the Lord. When we get to verse 13 there are two individuals, the Son of Manfaced who comes to the Ancient of Days and offers up the kingdom to the Father. In Daniel 7:22 we see the Ancient of Days on the Day of the Lord giving judgment to the saints and the saints taking control or “downward hold”, of the kingdom on earth.
The Father has given all rule to the Son but the Son gives it all back. Paul explains this in Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 15:23 G1538 But each G1161 G1722 in G3588 G2398 his own G5001 order; G536 the first-fruit G5547 is Christ, G1899 thereupon G3588 the ones G3588 of the G5547 Christ G1722 at G3588 G3952 his arrival. G1473
24 G1534 Then G3588 the G5056 end, G3752 whenever G3860 he should have delivered up G3588 the G932 kingdom G3588 to the G2316 God G2532 and G3962 father; G3752 whenever G2673 he should clear away G3956 all G746 rule, G2532 and G3956 all G1849 authority, G2532 and G1411 power.
25 G1163 For it is necessary G1063 G1473 for him G936 to reign G891 until G3739 of which G302 ever time G5087 he should have put G3956 all G3588 the G2190 enemies G5259 under G3588 G4228 his feet. G1473
26 G2078 The last G2190 enemy G2673 cleared away G3588 G2288 is death.
27 G3956 For all things G1063 G5293 he subjected G5259 under G3588 G4228 his feet. G1473 G3752 But whenever G1161 G2036 it should say G3754 that G3956 all things G5293 have been subjected, G1212 it is manifest G3754 that G1623 it is outside G3588 of the one G5293 subjecting G1473 to him G3588 all things . G3956
28 G3752 And whenever G1161 G5293 [2should be subjected G1473 3to him G3588 1all things], G3956 G5119 then G2532 also G1473 he himself, G3588 the G5207 son, G5293 shall be subjected G3588 to the one G5293 having subjected G1473 to him G3588 all the things, G3956 G2443 that G1510.3 God should be G3588 G2316 G3588 the G3956 all G1722 in G3956 all.
Obviously Paul knew the revelation given by Daniel. Paul was able to round out our understanding. As Jesus told us, all things are delivered unto him from his Father, but then Jesus gives all things back to the Father once all things have been put in subjection to him, Matthew 11:27. Daniel gave us such great revelation, Jesus and Paul built upon it.
As John records in chapter 14 of the Gospel of John, Jesus is leaving earth for a purpose. Jesus tells us what he is going to go do when he leaves earth and what the requirements are for us if we want to be in the kingdom of heaven. Unfortunately, here we find at best a mistranslation, or at worst an intentional misleading of the place that Jesus is preparing for us.
John 14:1 G3361 Let not G5015 [3be disturbed G1473 1your G2588 2heart]! G4100 Trust G1519 in G3588 G2316 God, G2532 and G1519 [2in G1473 3me G4100 1trust]!
2 G1722 In G3588 the G3614 residence G3588 G3962 of my father G1473 G3438 [3abodes G4183 2many G1510.2.6 1there are]; G1490 but if not, G2036 I would have told G302 G1473 you. G4198 I go G2090 to prepare G5117 a place G1473 for you.
3438 LSJ Gloss:μονή a staying, abiding, tarrying, stay
Dodson:μονή lodging, dwelling-place, room
lodging, dwelling-place, room, abode, mansion.
TBESG:μονή abode
G:N-F
μονή, -ῆς, ἡ
(< μένω), [in LXX: 1Ma.7:38 * ;]
__1. in cl.,
__(a) a staying, abiding;
__(b) continuance (LXX, 1 with)
__2. In late Gk.,
__(a) a statson (Paus.);
__(b) an abode:
__(with) a monastery (cf. MM, iii, xvi; so in MGr.).†
(AS)
Thayer:
1) a staying, abiding, dwelling, abode
2) to make an (one's) abode
3) metaph. of the God the Holy Spirit indwelling believers
μονή
monē mon-ay' From G3306; a staying, that is, residence (the act or the place) KJV Usage: abode, mansion.
There are three words regarding some type of habitation, οἰκία meaning “house or building”, monē meaning “dwelling or room” and topos meaning “place, region, or location”. Here is where our mistranslation lies.
John 14:2 ACVI G1722 PREP εν In G3588 T-DSF τη Tha G3614 N-DSF οικια House G3588 T-GSM του Of Tho G3962 N-GSM πατρος Father G3450 P-1GS μου Of Me G1526 V-PXI-3P εισιν Are G4183 A-NPF πολλαι Many G3438 N-NPF μοναι Dwellings G1161 CONJ δε And G1487 COND ει If G3361 PRT-N μη Not G302 PRT αν Ever G2036 V-2AAI-1S ειπον I Told G5213 P-2DP υμιν You G4198 V-PNI-1S πορευομαι I Go G2090 V-AAN ετοιμασαι To Prepare G5117 N-ASM τοπον Place G5213 P-2DP υμιν For You
“In the house the Father of me dwellings many they are whether but not to say if to you that I travel to make ready location to you”
The word monē which some translators chose to translate here as “mansions”, is only used twice. One would think that it would be translated “mansions” twice but it is not. Someone chose to mislead people with the idea of Jesus preparing mansions for his disciples. Several translators did not use this word mansions, but instead rooms or dwellings or dwelling places. We have written stories and songs regarding this idea of mansions in heaven but this is incorrect.
We see that the word is correctly noted as a noun in the AP. The word “many” modifies the word dwellings which should be noted as a noun nominative plural feminine. To be a noun with an “ing” ending the word must be either a gerund or a verbal. In this case it is a verbal. One way to check to see if a word with an “ing” is functioning as a noun is to put an article in front of it such as “a”, “an”, or “the”. If we said “a dwelling” or "the dwellings” it would then make the word a noun and agree with its adjective, “many” dwellings.
Jesus is preparing us a location in the kingdom of heaven. He just said his father’s house has many dwellings. We do not know what this will look like. We do not know what we will look like, but if we are made in the image of the Elohim, it is possible that our spiritual image is different than what we think. Obviously there is a throne, so the Father and Son both can sit, but do they actually live the same way that we live on earth? Are we to believe that we will all have big giant mansions when Jesus told us that we would be like the angels and not be married? Do angels have mansions? How do they live?
Jesus is going to testify of himself and points out that no one can come to the Father except through him. This means that all those who want to bypass Jesus to get to the Father cannot. The Jesus rejectors will have to become Jesus acceptors to come to the Father.
John 14:3 G2532 And G1437 whenever G4198 I should go G2532 and G2090 should prepare G1473 for you G5117 a place, G3825 again G2064 I will come G2532 and G3880 take G1473 you G4314 to G1683 myself; G2443 that G3699 where G1510.2.1 I am, G1473 G2532 [3also G1473 1you G1510.3 2should be].
4 G2532 And G3699 where G1473 I G5217 go G1492 you know, G2532 and G3588 the G3598 way G1492 you know.
5 G3004 [2says G1473 3to him G* 1Thomas], G2962 O Lord, G3756 we know not G1492 G4226 where G5217 you go; G2532 and G4459 how G1410 are we able G3588 [2the G3598 3way G1492 1to know]?
6 G3004 [2says G1473 3to him G3588 G* 1Jesus], G1473 I am G1510.2.1 G3588 the G3598 way, G2532 and G3588 the G225 truth, G2532 and G3588 the G2222 life; G3762 no one G2064 comes G4314 to G3588 the G3962 father G1508 unless G1223 through G1473 me.
Again, for anyone who is still unsure, Jesus Messiah is the only way to the Father. There is no other way to come to the Father but by believing on Jesus as Yahweh and Messiah.
John 14:7 G1487 If G1097 you had known G1473 me, G2532 also G3588 G3962 [2my father G1473 G1097 1you would have known]; G302 G2532 and G575 from G737 now on G1097 you know G1473 him G2532 and G3708 you have seen G1473 him.
8 G3004 [2says G1473 3to him G* 1Philip], G2962 O Lord, G1166 show G1473 to us G3588 the G3962 father! G2532 and G714 it suffices G1473 to us.
Philip asks to see the Father, but at this time no man has looked upon the Father, we all must go through Jesus. When will Christians first come to look upon and see the Father? This event takes place in Revelation 5 when we are waiting for Jesus to come and take the scrolls. In Revelation 4 we see the Father who looks like jasper and sardius gems, with an emerald halo around the throne. John is watching the one on the throne and awaiting Jesus’ arrival. If we remember, there was no one in heaven, earth, or under the earth that could open the scrolls. Where was Jesus? In the air greeting his saints. Then the saints sing a new song about themselves being redeemed by the blood of the lamb and made kings and priests.
Revelation 5:8….. G3739 which G1510.2.6 are G3588 the G4335 prayers G3588 of the G39 holy ones.
9 G2532 And G103 they sang sing G5603 [2ode G2537 1a new], G3004 saying, G514 Worthy G1510.2.2 are you G2983 to take G3588 the G975 scroll, G2532 and G455 to open G3588 G4973 its seals; G1473 G3754 for G4969 you were slain, G2532 and G59 you bought G3588 G2316 us to God G1473 G1722 by G3588 G129 your blood, G1473 G1537 from out of G3956 every G5443 tribe, G2532 and G1100 tongue, G2532 and G2992 people, G2532 and G1484 nation.
10 G2532 And G4160 you made G1473 them us G3588 [4 to G2316 5our God G1473 G935 1kings G2532 2and G2409 3priests]; G2532 and G936 they reign G1909 upon G3588 the G1093 earth.
“…that are the prayers the saints and sing song new saying ‘Worthy you are take the scroll and open the its seals because slain and buy the Elohim us in the blood your from out of all tribe and tongue and people and nation and make us the Elohim our kings and priests and reign upon the earth.”
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“…that are the prayers of the saints that sing a new song saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and open its seals because you were slain and bought us to the Elohim in your blood from out of all tribes and tongues and people and nations and make us kings and priests to our Elohim and to reign upon the earth.”
We see that the added words and the change in tense for the word “sing” makes this look like it is past tense, when it is present tense, and someone else is singing. Also the change in pronouns to third person plural from first person plural is an alteration as this is a reiteration from Revelation 1:5&6, written in first person plural. We are singing, the redeemed are singing, the ones who have completed and perfected spirits are made kings and priests by Jesus’ blood. This is the celebration as this section continues myriads of angels, the living creatures, and elders, are all singing a different song.
https://musingsofawinsomeheart.blogspot.com/2024/08/angels-celebrating-harpazo-partying.html
This is when we will see the Father for the first time. Jesus will be with us, and he will look like the Father. What then do we look like? Do we have need of a mansion? Or do we simply have need of a region where all manfaced will hang out?
What we can decipher from John’s description is that the Father looks red and orange with a green halo surrounding the throne. The first time we will look upon the Father will be as we await Jesus opening the seals. We will be in a place that Jesus prepared for us, where we will learn about the creation. We are not the center of the entire universe but a part of a bigger picture. The hazard of making us the center of the universe is that we limit our understanding to what we see and know here on earth. We make the Father and Son in our image. We think they behave the way we live. We expect the future to look like the opulence of the wealthy on the earth. The future is bigger, brighter, and very much unlike our lives today.
