What will it be like to live in the kingdom of heaven? It will not be like living on the earth. Firstly, there will not be a financial ruling class that controls the printing of money and interest rates, and also decides who can borrow money and be in debt to their system. There will not be a wealthy tech aristocracy that preys on children’s minds and shapes public opinion, and which also gains money from advertisers who push products for us to buy. There will not be weapons manufacturing facilities. There will not be a caste system ranging from worker bees on the assembly lines to middle and upper management. There will no longer be energy crisis after energy crisis. There will not be a system where one has to work to afford a home, a car, food and necessities. There will not be a health oligarchy that manufactures viruses and vaccines, and then forces the public to take their vaccinations. There will not be hospitals and hospice for the sick and dying. There will not be a rogue judicial system that works at cross purposes to the Elohim. There will be no political class voted into office every few years, and there will be no activists trying to take away rights and privileges over false narratives. There will also be no abortion clinics and human trafficking. What we know and understand of life on the earth is nothing like the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. What we see taking place in heaven are the sons of God managing things without a carrot and a stick. While there was a rebellion among some in the kingdom of God, everyone has free will. Satanas was thrown out of the kingdom of heaven and some of the rebellious angels imprisoned. Satanas gathered more rebellious angels to fight against manfaced and created a system on the earth where humans are merchandised, but that is not how the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God operates. Jesus told us the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who went out to hire laborers for the vineyard in the morning, and then again at noon, and again at evening and gave all the laborers the same wage. The early hires were angry that the late hires got the same wage, but Jesus said that the last shall be first and the first last, for many are called but few are chosen, Matthew 20.
Before we get to the seventh seal, we have a group of people from all nations that have been killed. They are from all different tribes, and they speak many different languages. They are in the tribulation period which tells us that they did not confess Jesus as Lord before the harpazo. These people suffer and die during the seal openings, but they do not belong in Hades.
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These are not the people who were killed under the altar, these are other people killed during the first six seals. The people killed under the altar are Jews or people who say that they are Jews. These people are from all over the earth. John will find out who they are shortly. What is important to note is that they are from every nation, every tribe and every tongue.
Revelation 7:10 G2532 And G2896 they cry out G5456 [2voice G3173 1a great], G3004 saying, G3588 G4991 Deliverance G3588 to G2316 our God, G1473 G3588 to the one G2521 sitting G1909 upon G3588 the G2362 throne, G2532 and G3588 to the G721 lamb.
11 G2532 And G3956 all G3588 the G32 angels G2476 stood G2945 round about G3588 the G2362 throne, G2532 and G3588 the G4245 elders, G2532 and G3588 the G5064 four G2226 living creatures…
John sees all the angels, the elders and the four living beings. If we remember, at first John did not see any angels, but then he saw myriads myriads who sing along with the redeemed. The angels show up after they have helped gather the harpazo’d saints. Now we see that the angels are there around the throne, not gathering people, but still in the throne area. This tells us that the angels have a mission to the believers in Jesus Messiah at the harpazo, but not to others after the harpazo. All the angels, along with the living beings and elders, now worship the Elohim with these new arrivals into the heavens. The newcomers all worship the Elohim.
...G2532 And G4098 they fell G1799 before G3588 the G2362 throne G1909 upon G3588 G4383 their faces, G1473 G2532 and G4352 they did obeisance to G3588 G2316 God,
12 G3004 saying, G281 Amen; G3588 the G2129 blessing, G2532 and G3588 the G1391 glory, G2532 and G3588 the G4678 wisdom, G2532 and G3588 the G2169 thankfulness, G2532 and G3588 the G5092 honor, G2532 and G3588 the G1411 power, G2532 and G3588 the G2479 strength G3588 to G2316 our God G1473 G1519 into G3588 the G165 eons G3588 of the G165 eons. G281 Amen.
We might wonder how all these people ended up in heaven without being harpazo’d. They came a different way. When Death and Hades went out to collect people, not all of them went to Hades, some died and were taken by Death. There are two places that Jesus spoke of. One was Hades, where the rich man went, and the other was Abrahams bay, where the believers (like Lazarus and Abraham) in Yahweh Elohim went. Abrahams bay was emptied out when Jesus set the captives free, taking those people to Paradise. And during the seal judgments the people not set for Hades wait in Abrahams bay until they are received into the kingdom of heaven. Jesus has the keys to death and hades.
John is still standing by the elders when one asks John who these people are.
Revelation 7:13 G2532 And G611 answered G1520 one G1537 of G3588 the G4245 elders, G3004 saying G1473 to me, G3778 These G3588 G4016 wearing G3588 the G4749 [2robes G3588 G3022 1white], G5100 who G1510.2.6 are they, G2532 and G4159 from where G2064 came they?
14 G2532 And G2036 I said G1473 to him, G2962 O my Lord, G1473 G1473 you G1492 know. G2532 And G2036 he said G1473 to me, G3778 These G1510.2.6 are G3588 the ones G2064 coming G1537 from out of G3588 the G2347 [2affliction G3588 G3173 1great],…
The megas thlipsis is the great or large pressure, tribulation, or distress. Thlipsis comes from the word thlibō meaning to crowd or squeeze. So far this is only the first six seals. This time period is not even the halfway point of the seven year period. The halfway point comes at the end of the six trumpet judgments. This is the cleansing time on the earth. There will be religious factions fighting one another, there will be bioweapons used against one another. Some people will lose their homes, and they will be left out in the elements starving. Everyone is expendable. These people may have heard of the God of the Christians, Yahweh Jesus Messiah, but they didn’t commit their lives to him before the harpazo for various reasons. But as they are pressed and in distress they will cry out to Jesus Messiah because they will hear the message from Enoch and Elijah.
… G2532 and G4150 they washed G3588 G4749 their robes, G1473 G2532 and G3021 whitened G1473 them G1722 in G3588 the G129 blood G3588 of the G721 lamb.
Jesus’ blood cleanses these new believers. The robes these people are wearing are stolē, “a long gown marking dignity”. Their gowns were plunged into the blood of the Lamb and they came out white. They choose Jesus to be their Lord. The son of perdition is trying to bring together all the warring factions on the earth. He has not stepped into the holy of holies yet.
Revelation 7:15 G1223 Because of G3778 this G1510.2.6 they are G1799 before G3588 the G2362 throne G3588 G2316 of God, G2532 and G3000 they serve G1473 to him G2250 day G2532 and G3571 night G1722 in G3588 G3485 his temple; G1473 G2532 and G3588 the one G2521 sitting G1909 upon G3588 the G2362 throne G4637 shall encamp G1909 over G1473 them.
16 G3756 They shall not G3983 hunger G2089 any more, G3761 nor G1372 thirst G2089 any more, G3761 nor G3766.2 in any way G4098 shall [3fall G1909 4upon G1473 5them G3588 1the G2246 2sun], G3761 nor G3956 any G2738 sweltering heat.
17 G3754 For G3588 the G721 lamb, G3588 the one G303.1 in the midst G3588 of the G2362 throne, G4165 shall tend G1473 them. G2532 And G3594 he shall guide G1473 them G1909 unto G2222 [3of life G4077 1springs G5204 2of waters]. G2532 And G1813 [2will wipe away G3588 G2316 1God] G3956 every G1144 tear G1537 from G3588 G3788 their eyes.
This is beautiful. Some of these people probably lived in what we might call “closed countries”, while others had no interest in religion or spiritual understanding before the harpazo, but after the saints left the earth they heard two prophets tell them who to worship. Remember, Death had the power to slaughter, and Hades, riding along with Death, collected people, but it would seem that these people did not enter Hades. They entered death in Abrahams bay.
Daniel tells us some interesting things. In the beginning of chapter 11 Daniel tells us about the four kings of Persia. This prophecy is a dual prophecy regarding the years before Jesus came to earth and also the years after the harpazo and leads us into the tribulation period. During Daniel’s time Cyrus’ Persia was quite large. Look at a map of the Persian kingdom during Daniel’s time. Some of these wars are historic, but also futuristic. There are 69 weeks, then a gap during the church age, and then the 70th week. The gap years started when Jesus came to earth and continues until his first fruits are harpazo’d. This is the timeframe when the majority of conflict will take place before and after the harpazo.
The short version here is that the Persian kingdom is split up into four parts with two dominant factions. The king of the north and the king of the south. At first the king of the south is dominant, but soon the king of the north becomes the dominant force in the region. The daughter of the king of the south makes some secret agreements with the king of the north, but that doesn’t work out. The southern king overtakes the northern king, taking their riches, but the northern king fights against the southern king. The southern king will be defeated. They will both scrimmage a few more times but the northern king will prevail. Remember that they are all from the Persian empire. Eventually the king of the north prevails over the king of the south. As this is going on the harpazo occurs which has little effect on these two kingdoms because of the small number of Christians living there.
We have to keep the perspective that this is in regard to Daniel’s people, meaning the dispersed heirs of Jacob, not just the people living in Israel. Daniel’s people are in the 69th week and the 70th week, with the church in the gap years. Persia was overtaken by the Greeks in 330 BC and then the Parthians in 247 BC.
Dan 11:27 (ISV) "'Now as for the two kings, their intentions will be evil, and they'll promote deception at their dinner table, but none of this will succeed, because the end won't have come yet.
Dan 11:28 Then he'll return to his homeland with great wealth, will focus his attention against the holy covenant, and will take action as he returns to his land.'"
Dan 11:29 "'At the scheduled time he'll return, moving southward, but the end result won't be as before,
At this point we have moved into the first half of the tribulation. This is not the end of the tribulation. This is all taking place during the first three and one half years. This northern king is a military leader and he will be wounded in battle. When people want to take his mark it will be an armband or a headband. He will lose an eye as well. There is a plot twist. The Citians fight against the king of the north.
Dan 11:30 because ships will come against him from the Mediterranean islands. Disheartened, he'll return, incited to vehemence against the holy covenant, and he'll take action. As he returns, he'll show deference to those who abandon the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 Armed forces will arise from his midst, and they'll desecrate the fortified Sanctuary, abolish the daily sacrifice, and establish the destructive desecration.
Dan 11:32 Through flattery he'll corrupt those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but people who know their God will be strong and take action.
The interesting thing here is that the king of the north loses his battle against the Citians, or Chittim, or Kittim. The king of the north will be enraged against the holy covenant. This is the son of perdition, the one who will go into the holy of holies and claim to be god. Why is he planning rage against the holy covenant, why does he want to desecrate the sanctuary and abolish the daily sacrifices? Didn’t the son of perdition enforce the covenant and start the daily sacrifices? Yes he did. But he lost in battle to Kittim, so he has decided to take his humiliation out on the Elohim. Now we are at the three and one half year mark. This is when people recognize that this great military leader fooled them and the will be martyred under the altar. Other intelligent people will die as well.
Dan 11:33 Insightful people will impart understanding to many, though they'll fall by sword, by fire, by captivity, and as war booty for a while.
Dan 11:34 When they fall, they'll be given some relief, but many will join them by pretending to be sympathetic to their cause.
The intelligent people will explain that this is a false god, he is a liar and deceiver. Many in the temple area who were sacrificing and attending to the sacrifices will be disgusted and claim that he is a false messiah and they will die under the altar. Many, many, others worldwide will hear and see the event and they too will speak against it. They will be speaking out, and their groups will be infiltrated with people who are there to spy them out and murder them.
Dan 11:35 Some of the insightful will fall so they may be refined, purged, and purified until the time of the end, since it will surely come about.’"
These are the people of the nations, tribes, and languages who are killed and brought into heaven. This king, the king of the north, will hunt down anyone who opposes him. The two witnesses are on the earth gathering their followers and they are preaching and doing miracles. Daniel’s people see and know that Enoch and Elijah are speaking the truth.
Dan 11:36 "'The king will do as he pleases. He'll exalt and magnify himself above every god, speaking amazing things against the God of Gods. He'll succeed until the indignation is completed, because what has been determined must be carried out.
This king does according to his own will. Isn’t that a foundational precept of the church of Satan to “do what thou wilt”? This king will magnify himself, he will speak against the Elohim, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is a set time of indignation.
Dan 11:37 He'll recognize neither the gods of his ancestors nor those desired by women—he won't recognize any god, because he'll exalt himself above everything.
This king of the north will not recognize the gods of his ancestors. Were his ancestors Jews, Christians, or Muslim? He is a very prideful person and to Satanas he is a useful idiot.
Dan 11:38 He'll glorify the god of fortresses, a god whom his ancestors never knew, honoring him with gold, silver, valuable jewels, and treasures.
He will honor or glorify a god of war.
Dan 11:39 He'll take action against the strongest fortresses. With the help of a foreign god, he'll recognize those who honor him, making them rule over many, and he'll parcel out the land for a profit.
He will make people worship his god of war. Then this king of the north will fight against the king of the south again. He gives leadership positions to his loyalists and it seems land for them to profit from.
Dan 11:40 "'At the time of the end, the southern king will oppose him, and the northern king will overrun him with chariots, cavalry, and many ships. He'll invade countries, moving swiftly and sweeping through.
Dan 11:41 He'll enter the Beautiful Land, and many will fall, even though these will escape his control: Edom, Moab, and certain Ammonite officials.
Dan 11:42 He'll extend his power over other countries, and even the land of Egypt won't escape.
Dan 11:43 He'll capture treasures of gold, silver, and all the treasures of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites at his feet.
Dan 11:44 However, reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he'll march out in great anger, intending to destroy and to desolate many.
Dan 11:45 When he pitches his royal pavilions between the seas facing the mountain of holy Glory, he'll come to his end, and no one will help him.'"
It is interesting how the exact military moves of the two Persian kings are prophesied ahead of time. But this prophecy is not done yet, the chapter should not have ended here. He will build a nice palace with a lovely view. And then, Michael shows up.
Dan 12:1 "'At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who will stand up on behalf of your people, and a time of trouble will come like there has never been since nations began until that time. Also at that time, your people will be delivered—everyone who will have been written in the book.
Again this part of the prophecy takes us into the second half of the tribulation, the wrath of the Father with the bowl judgments.
Dan 12:2 Many of those who are sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken—some to life everlasting, and some to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 Those who manifest wisdom will shine like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who turn many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever.
This prophesy is summed up in Revelation 12.
Rev 12:7 (ISV) Then a war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels fought back.
Rev 12:8 But it was not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
Rev 12:9 The huge dragon was hurled down. That ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was hurled down to the earth, along with its angels.
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say, "Now the salvation, the power, the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah have come. For the one who accuses our brothers, who accuses them day and night in the presence of our God, has been thrown out.
Rev 12:11 Our brothers conquered him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not cling to their lives even in the face of death.
The devil, Dracōn, and Satanas the deceiver, were thrown down to earth. This happens at the time when the thunders speak just before the coronation of Jesus and the kingdoms of the world becoming the kingdom of our Yahweh Messiah. The next thing that Daniel is told is to shut up the logos.
Dan 12:4 Now as for you, Daniel, roll up your scroll and seal your words until the time of the end. Many will rush around while knowledge increases.’"
Daniel 12:4 G2532 And G1473 you G* Daniel G1719.2 obstruct G3588 the G3056 words, G2532 and G4972 set a seal upon G3588 the G975 scroll G2193 until G2540 the time G4930 of completion! G2193 until G1321 [2should be taught G4183 1many], G2532 and G4129 [3be multiplied G3588 1the G1108 2knowledge].
“And you Daniel obstruct the logos and seal the scroll until set time entire completion until many teach and the knowledge multiply.”
The angel tells Daniel to obstruct the logos and to seal the scroll. That seems silly. Daniel went through all the trouble of writing it only to hide it from people? Yet the angel says that this is until the set time, the entire completion, until many people teach and knowledge multiplies. There is a set time to reveal prophecies. The time of the entire completion, sunteleia, is the consummation of a dispensation. The dispensation we are living in is completed at the harpazo. Then the time of trouble, tribulation, for seven years. Now we can understand what Daniel was talking about especially regarding the three and one half years during the tribulation.
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Daniel is told to put a seal on this scroll. The seal stays in place until the time of completion, the sunteleia, which literally means the consummation of the dispensation. This dispensation ended when Jesus ascended. Now the seal is opened and we are learning the knowledge. What knowledge is increased? The knowledge of the end times. The word the appears before knowledge in the text, changing the meaning from “general knowledge” to “specific knowledge” of the end times.
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To make this clear, the events that Daniel describes in chapter 11 happen long before and also during the first half of the tribulation. We were talking about the people from Revelation 7 who died and are now in heaven. This is the what is taking place so that the group of people from every tribe and nation are collected by Death. Now Daniel hears a conversation between two others regarding the tribulation period.
Dan 12:5 "Then I, Daniel, continued watching—and look!—two others stood there, one on this side of the river bank and the other on the other side of the river bank.
Dan 12:6 One asked the man dressed in linen clothes, who was standing above the waters of the river, 'How long until the fulfillment of the wonders?'
Dan 12:7 "I heard the man dressed in linen clothes, who was standing above the waters of the river as he lifted his right and left hands to heaven and swore by the one who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and a half. When the shattering of the power of the holy people has occurred, all these things will conclude."
Daniel 12:7.....G1722 in G3588 the G4931 completing complete G1287.1 the dispersing dispersion G5495 hand G2992 of people G37 having been sanctified, G1097 they shall know G3956 all G3778 these things.
Daniel asks when these things will happen, and the answer is in a portion of time when the dispersion is complete. When the hands of the laity are sanctified and the sanctified will know and perceive all of this. The beginning of the dispersion started around 733 BCE. About 760 years later Jesus came and many of the dispersed became Christians. When are the hands of the laity sanctified? When the corruptible puts on incorruption and the mortal puts on immortality. This is when the laity, the general people of the earth, are purified and made holy, ceremonially consecrated. This is when the dispersion is completed and ended, at the harpazo. Remember, Romans 11 says that we are looking for a number from the nations, the dispersed are among the nations.
Daniel then asks, when is the uttermost end, the finality of the age? But he is not given an answer.
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The phrase “time of times and half of times” equates to the three and one half year mark of the tribulation. Daniel uses this term previously in chapter seven.
Dan 7:25 (ISV) He'll speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One. He'll attempt to alter times and laws, and they'll be given into his control for a time, times, and half a time.
This person is identified in chapter 11 as the king of the north. John also uses this phrase
Rev 12:14 (ISV) However, the woman was given the two wings of a large eagle so that she could fly away from the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she could be taken care of for a time, times, and half a time.
John and Daniel understand that there will be a three and one half year period, the first half of the tribulation, where many events take place.
Dan 12:8 "I heard, but I didn't understand. So I asked, 'Sir, what happens next?'
We gain bits and pieces of insight as time moves forward and we are closer to the time of the end.
Dan 12:9 "He answered, 'Go on your way, Daniel, because these matters are wrapped up and sealed until the time of the end.
The word “end” is used three different times with three different words in verses 7 and 8. The end of the dispersion is sunteleo, meaning “finished”. Daniel asks when the end of these things eschatos, occurs, meaning the farthest place in time. Then the angel says these things are sealed until the time of the end, peras, the limit or boundary, extending through a period of time. The dispersion is finished when the laity is sanctified. This would be the time that the Jews who are living in other nations will want to return to Israel, ending the diaspora. Daniel asks when the tribulation and affliction will be finished, the furthest place in time. The angel says the words are closed until the due measure of the boundary, meaning the words are closed until the proper limit is fulfilled.
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Daniel 12:9 G2532 And G2036 he said, G1204 Go G* Daniel! G3754 for G1719.2 [3 are obstructed G2532 4and G4972 5sealed G3588 1the G3056 2words] G2193 until G2540 [2time G4009 1end].
“And said come Daniel because the logos obstructed and sealed until set time end.”
What we did not understand regarding the future that was written in Daniel is now coming to light. We are putting the pieces of the puzzle together which means that we are in the last age, the time of the consummation. There are plenty of things that we had a hard time researching in the Bible until our age. Imagine sitting in a dusty, dimly lit library, trying to look up every word in a verse of scripture. Today we can do that quickly and efficiently.
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Dan 12:10 Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined, though the wicked act wickedly, and none of the wicked understand. Nevertheless, the insightful will understand.
The wise understand. The continual rejection of Yahweh Elohim, from the time in the wilderness through to today makes hard times and tribulation necessary. But look at the result, many will be purified, cleansed, and refined. These are Daniel’s people who have found their way to heaven.
Dan 12:11 There will be 1,290 days from the time the daily ritual is rescinded and the destructive desolation established.
The angel noted that there will be a period of 1290 days, three and one half years. But the angel says that if one can hold out for 1335 days, 45 days later, that one will be blessed.
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Notice the benchmark here. From the removal of the perpetual sacrifice. Daniel already gave us some details on this in chapter 11:30-31, the king of the north will have a defeat and then he will incite rage against the holy covenant. He will favor those who abandon the holy covenant and then his forces will desecrate the sanctuary and abolish the daily sacrifice. He will start another abomination of desolation. This day is the benchmark for three and one half years of tribulation.
What is the abomination of desolation here? The son of perdition walking into the holy of holies and claiming that he is god, and speaking against the Elohim. Daniel told us this in 11:36. From this mark on will be three and one half years. This 1290 days is three and one half years on a 360 day calendar, which has four intercalary days each quarter, and adjusts according to the equilux each year.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits and reaches the 1,335 days.
Dan 12:13 Now as for you, go on your way until the end—you'll rest and then rise to receive your reward at the end of the age.'"
Daniels prophecy is a prophecy regarding his people, not the church age, and not anyone else. Daniel gave us the backstory as to why there are so many of his people dying. As they are going through the first half of the tribulation they are also dealing with a long drawn out war between two kings. While the whole world is going through wars and famines and diseases, the middle east is still fighting amongst themselves instead of helping one another. It seems like the attitude we see today where certain kingdoms want total annihilation of any and all opposing kingdoms.
We now come to the seventh seal.
Revelation 8:1 G2532 And G3753 when G455 he opened G3588 the G4973 [2seal G3588 G1442 1seventh], G1096 there became G4602 quietness G1722 in G3588 the G3772 heaven G5613 about G2256 a half-hour.
Thirty minutes of quiet will probably seem like a really long time.
Revelation 8:2 G2532 And G1492 I saw G3588 the G2033 seven G32 angels, G3739 the ones which G1799 [2before G3588 G2316 3God G2476 1stand], G2532 and G1325 were given G1473 to them G2033 seven G4536 trumpets.
Seven angels with seven trumpets. They are getting ready for the next round of chaos.
Revelation 8:3 G2532 And G243 another G32 angel G2064 came G2532 and G2476 he stood G1909 at G3588 the G2379 altar, G2192 having G3031 [2censer G5552 1a golden]; G2532 and G1325 [3 were given G1473 4to him G2368 2incenses G4183 1many], G2443 that G1325 he should offer it G3588 with the G4335 prayers G3588 [2the G39 3holy ones G3956 1of all] G1909 upon G3588 the G2379 [2altar G3588 G5552 1golden], G3588 the one G1799 before G3588 the G2362 throne.
4 G2532 And G305 [5ascended G3588 1the G2586 2smoke G3588 3of the G2368 4incenses], G3588 with the G4335 prayers G3588 of the G39 holy ones, G1537 out of G5495 the hand G3588 of the G32 angel, G1799 before G3588 G2316 God.
The word translated censer is incorrect it is libanōtos “frankincense”. The word libanos is a “frankincense tree”, but libanōtos is the frankincense itself. Golden frankincense is the predominant incense here, but the angel is given many other incenses as well. The saints were just singing about being redeemed and now the prayers of the saints are collected and offered on the golden altar in front of the Father.
Revelation 8:5 G2532 And G2983 [3took G3588 1the G32 2angel] G3588 the G3031 censer, G2532 and G1072 filled G1473 it G1537 from G3588 the G4442 fire G3588 of the G2379 altar, G2532 and G906 cast G1519 unto G3588 the G1093 earth; G2532 and G1096 there became G5456 sounds, G2532 and G1027 thunders, G2532 and G796 lightnings, G2532 and G4578 an earthquake.
This angel took the libanōtos frankincense, not a jar, but took frankincense and filled some from the fire of the altar. He then threw it onto the earth. Imagine all the prayers prayed and collected mixed with incense and golden frankincense, and thrown to earth. Of course there are sounds. The word phōnē means “sounds, voices, words uttered, or tones”. It is probably all of those things in this instance. What are the people of earth hearing? Prayers, people’s prayers. They are hearing voices, they are hearing languages. It will be confusing as the voices and sounds are coming from all around them without actually seeing any people. There will also be thunder and lightning, and seismos, seismic activity. The thunder and lightning along with the earthquake is already disorienting but add the voices of the prayers of the saints and it intensifies the situation.
The earth is moving into the trumpet judgements. The hardships only get worse for the common people, but the allies of the son of perdition will live well. Here are the three groups of people entering the heavens, the redeemed, the martyrs, and the nations. The redeemed entered at the harpazo all together. They watch as the seals are opened and they sing about being redeemed by the blood of the lamb and made a kingdom of priests. The martyrs are those who died under the altar. They reject the son of perdition calling himself god, and they know that they were fooled. They enter heaven and ask for vengeance on their enemies. The nations, tribes, and languages, who entered heaven were collected during the seal judgments by Death. They may be dispersed Jews but we do not know that for sure. They did not have the sin portfolio for Hades and they probably turned to call on Jesus as Lord after they realize that the harpazo took the Christians off the earth. Keep in mind that after the harpazo the two witnesses come down to earth and many people will believe their message. These people who died on earth during the first six seals are now worshipping around the throne. As Jesus said the last will be first and the first will be last. Everyone receives the same payment no matter when they believed. Next we come to the trumpet judgments.
